Making Liquid CO2
Most recent answer: 06/03/2010
Q:
Please help me figure this out (I wish I could just look it up somewhere)
How much energy is required to create one cubic meter of liquid CO2? This is at sea level at 20 degrees Celsius. An approximation will do. (Assuming there is a very large supply of CO2 gas available at 20 degrees Celsius).
I am lost when it comes to chemistry – cannot understand the explanation given by Wikipedia using moles of gas!
- ISTVAN MATE
EAST HILLS, NY, USA
- ISTVAN MATE
EAST HILLS, NY, USA
A:
You're asking an important question, since removing CO2 from the atmosphere and storing it as a liquid deep underground ("sequestering") is one way of reducing global warming. Obviously, it would not be an effective way if the energy required were greater than the energy obtained from burning the fuel which generated the CO2 in the first place.
The specific form of the question you ask, however, is not actually answerable. At sea level pressure, CO2 does not have a liquid form, but converts directly from gas to dry ice upon cooling. The liquid form is stable under higher pressure.
With a little care, we could calculate the net amount of free energy thermodynamically required to cool and pressurize the CO2, but we would need to look up the detailed properties of CO2 which is far from an ideal gas at high pressure. We won't bother, because you are probably more interested in the (larger) free-energy required with practical devices, not the ideal thermodynamic values.
I do not immediately know how to find those values. However, there is a relevant fact. I've heard that coal-burning power plants would require something like roughly 25% more fuel per energy output in order to sequester most of their CO2 output.
Here's how I would go about doing a very rough calculation of what you want to know.
1. Sites on coal sequestration say that to sequester the 3.7 kg of CO2 produced by burning 1kg of coal, you need about 20% of the electrical energy obtained from burning that coal.
2. I guess that burning coal, like most carbohydrates in foods, releases about 5kCal of energy per gram, or about 2*107 J per kg.
3. The efficiency of a typical power plant is about 30%, so that kg of coal makes about 6*106 J of electrical energy.
4. So 3.7 kg of CO2requires something like 20% of that, or roughly106 J to sequester.
5. Liquid CO2 is probably only a bit denser than water (you could look this up), so the cubic meter you want has mass of roughly 2000 kg.
6. Sequestering that cubic meter then seems to require around 5*108 J of electrical energy.
That answer could easily be off by a factor of two, but it should get you started.
Mike W.
The specific form of the question you ask, however, is not actually answerable. At sea level pressure, CO2 does not have a liquid form, but converts directly from gas to dry ice upon cooling. The liquid form is stable under higher pressure.
With a little care, we could calculate the net amount of free energy thermodynamically required to cool and pressurize the CO2, but we would need to look up the detailed properties of CO2 which is far from an ideal gas at high pressure. We won't bother, because you are probably more interested in the (larger) free-energy required with practical devices, not the ideal thermodynamic values.
I do not immediately know how to find those values. However, there is a relevant fact. I've heard that coal-burning power plants would require something like roughly 25% more fuel per energy output in order to sequester most of their CO2 output.
Here's how I would go about doing a very rough calculation of what you want to know.
1. Sites on coal sequestration say that to sequester the 3.7 kg of CO2 produced by burning 1kg of coal, you need about 20% of the electrical energy obtained from burning that coal.
2. I guess that burning coal, like most carbohydrates in foods, releases about 5kCal of energy per gram, or about 2*107 J per kg.
3. The efficiency of a typical power plant is about 30%, so that kg of coal makes about 6*106 J of electrical energy.
4. So 3.7 kg of CO2requires something like 20% of that, or roughly106 J to sequester.
5. Liquid CO2 is probably only a bit denser than water (you could look this up), so the cubic meter you want has mass of roughly 2000 kg.
6. Sequestering that cubic meter then seems to require around 5*108 J of electrical energy.
That answer could easily be off by a factor of two, but it should get you started.
Mike W.
(published on 06/03/2010)