Energy and interference

Q:When two light waves cancel each other out, where does the energy go?

-Jonno
Waltham, MA
A:Jonno- That’s one of the best questions we’ve had in a while.

When the light waves cancel (or at least partially cancel) in one region, there’s less energy there than you would get from adding the energies in the two waves. The missing energy must have gone somewhere else. It turns out that the destructive interference in one place is always balanced by some constructive interference someplace else, where the total energy is bigger than the sum of the two separate energies. In a typical example, two combined beams form interference fringes- alternating regions in which the energy is more or less than the sum of the separate energies. In another type of example, the electric fields in a region can cancel, but the magnetic fields add (or vice versa), so that energy shifts from one type of field to another in the same region.

Mike W.

(republished on 07/28/06)

Follow-Up #1

Q:I understand your explanations so far, but in Physics class we learn that when two identical wave pulses travelling in opposite directions meet, they cancel each other out perfectly.

This would mean the particles in the medium do not move. Does this mean there is no energy transfer? What then, causes the next particles to move since the pulses apparently keep travelling unaffected by the temporary cancelling out.

-Jasmine (age 16)
Seattle, WA, USA
A: Nice question!  I’m really glad that you asked it, because I tried raising exactly the same question in my sophomore physics class a couple of weeks ago, but the students didn’t seem very interested.

You’re talking about waves made of particles- sound waves, for example. Let’s say you’re talking about the type of sound ("longitudinal") that travels in air, with the particles moving back and forth along the same direction that the wave travels. 
If the sound pressures from the two waves travelling in opposite directions just cancel, the particle velocities from the two waves add up. If the velocities just cancel, then the pressure changes add up. Either way, although one of those two variables (pressure or velocity) momentarily looks like there’s no wave there, the other variable has all the evidence that the wave is still there.

Mike W.


Another way of looking at it is that the two waves produce what is called a "standing wave pattern".    "Nodes" exist where  there is little or no action at all.  In between the nodes are  areas where the air molecules oscillate back and forth at twice the amplitude.  The total energy is the same as the sum of the two individual waves. This is more easily visualized by considering transverse waves on a string.  The stationary pattern of a vibrating violin string can be mathematically decomposed into two travelling waves going in opposite directions.

Lee H

(published on 03/04/07)

Follow-Up #2

Q:We know that in interference redistribution of energy takes place .Is this redistribution remain constant with time or vary with time?

-Yash (age 17)
India
A: That depends on how the waves themselves change over time. If they have a big mix of frequencies then the interference patterns will keep shifting around. If they consist of a very narrow range of frequences, from fixed sources, the interference patterns won’t change much. For ordinary light, the interference patterns shift around so much that they usually aren’t noticable. On the other hand, for laser light one can make rather stable interference patterns.

Mike W.

(published on 07/02/07)

Follow-Up #3

Q:Could you not create two wavetrains of light and send them toward each other. (make one a reflection of the other so that they can interfere destructively).

When they are far apart: each wavetrain carries some electric and magnetic energy.

At some time, they completely annihilate each other and theres no electric/magnetic field anywhere, so the total energy is zero.

Am I missing anything?

Also, I can imagine the same thing done with a string. Except in the case of the string, I think the missing energy can be accounted for: the kinetic energy transfers to potential energy between the atoms that make up the string.

-Eugene (age 21)
CA, USA
A: What you imagine for the string is almost correct. At the moment when the two pulsees travelling opposite ways cancel, in the sense of having opposite string displacements, they have the same string velocities. So actually it’s the potential enrgy that’s zero then, and all the energy is kinetic.

Something like that happens with the light waves. If the electric fields exactly cancel, the magnetic fields add up, so all the energy is magnetic. That has to work because the Poynting vector, which gives the energy flow, is opposite for the two oppositely moving waves. Its ExB, so if the E’s are opposite the B’s must be the same.


Mike W

(published on 09/15/07)

Follow-Up #4

Q:I understand the electric energy is trasfered to magnetic energy when 2 light waves are propagating towards each other. But if the 2 light wave are propagating at same direction and so their electric phase and magnetic phase are both opposite, what does the energy go? I think Michelson Interferometer can do this.

-Keitha (age 28)
China
A:If the 'two' light waves are really propagating in the same direction, then actual;ly they're one light wave. Whatever the polarization pattern happens to be, it will have 1/2 electric and 1/2 magnetic energy.

In a Michaelson interferometer, if the phase is just right there will be perfect destructive interference in one output direction and perfect constructive interference in the other, at right angles. Thus the one beam really does have zero energy. All the energy goes into the other.

Mike W.

(published on 08/05/09)

Follow-Up #5

Q:I have a few problems with the answer to the question where does the energy go when two waves are added. This answers the problem beautifuly if the waves arn’t completely out of phase or the waves are different but what happen if two identical waves are added when compleetly out of phase, then logicaly you get no wave at all. So where does all the energy go?

-ben (age 17)
A:Nice question. How can you make the two waves be out of phase everywhere? Their sources would have to have just the same spatial distribution, so the waves had just the same shape. Let’s make an approximation to that.

Say you have two speakers facing each other, hooked up out of phase to the same amplifier. (That can easily happen by accident.) Then the total amount of sound energy emitted (at least for long wavelengths) will be much less than either one would emit separately, for a given speaker displacement. However, the speakers would be doing much less work on the air than they would out in the open. In that case, the work done by the amplifiers on the speakers would also be reduced. So the energy flowing in is actually much less than would be found if the speakers were far apart.

So in this case, because of the effect of the waves from each source on the other source, less work is done than would be done on the separate sources. If the sources are moved far enough apart to avoid effects like that, then our previous argument about how the waves interfere destructively in some places but constructively in others becomes applicable.

Mike W.

(republished on 07/28/06)

 

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