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Q:
so i know you answerd which weighs more, 1lb water or 1lb ice. i think you said same. but now when you take a ballon full of hot air it raises and cold air it sinks, does this mean on a scale the weight changes. so the warmer something the lighter. no?
- brian (age 23)
concord, ca
A:
Well, the reason you're getting confused is that the question is misleading

A pound of ice and a pound of water have the same weight but your mind is conditioned to picture them and you know that ice and water have different densities. While a given pound of water and a pound of ice would have the same mass, the volume would be different. The water would have a greater volume, because water is more dense than ice (which is why ice forms at the top of a lake).


The situation with gases is a little different. When you heat a gas, you don't change its mass. (Wow, that rhymes. :)) The speed of the molecules bouncing on the balloon increases when you increase the temperature and so the density changes (because the volume changes). This change in density causes the balloon to rise, because the hot balloon is less dense than the air around it. Likewise, a cold balloon falls because it is more dense than the air around it.
(In other words, if you ’weigh’ the baloon, what you measure is not its total weight but the difference between its weight and the weight of the air it displaces. So that depends not just on weght but also on volume. When you weigh water or ice in the atmosphere, either one is so dense that the weight of the air they displace isn’t very important.)

I hope that this explains this common trick question and why it is so confusing to everyone.

Jason

(published on 10/22/2007)

Follow-Up #1: Viscosity of hot and cold air

Q:
Based on your statement that cold air is more dense than hot air, does cold air move objects in the air easier
- Brendan
USA
A:
The resistance an object moving in air is proportional to the air's viscosity, if the object is moving slowly.  Even though the density of the air is less at higher temperature (at standard pressure) the viscosity of air increases a bit. It's harder to push something (e.g. particles) through a hot gas stream than a cooler one due to increased molecular activity as temperature rises, which results in increased momentum transfer between the molecules. (At high speeds, the density becomes more important.)  For liquids, the opposite relationship between viscosity and temperature usually holds. The viscosity of a liquid usually decreases rapidly as temperature increases. It's harder to push something through a cold liquid than a hot one because in liquids, hydrogen bonding increases with colder temperatures.

LeeH  w. Mike W.

Some liquids get more viscous as they warm up, because long-chain molecules in them unravel and start to get tangled up with each other.  /Mike W.

(published on 12/21/07)

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